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Episode: 1019

The First Woman Judge, Part Two: Ambition, Exhaustion, and the Cost of ‘Playing It Cool’

October 7, 2026

What did it really take for Florence Allen to stay steady while being underestimated, mislabeled, and passed over? Professor and author Tracy Thomas shares the first woman judge’s own advice to younger women attorneys: work harder, let it roll off your back, prove yourself through the work and the toll that strategy took over a lifetime. The conversation also unpacks Allen's heartbreak after coming agonizingly close to a U.S. Supreme Court seat 12 times, including one moment when Chief Justice Fred Vinson quietly told President Truman the all-male Court simply didn't want her. Thomas also shares a deeply personal moment on who the book is dedicated to and why recovering women's history is also, in its own way, about recovering our own.

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